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 Should Christians Be Earning Excessive Money?

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Question 5 - Where a pension is referred to it means approximately only a little more than the amount of money needed to survive. God may consider this comparison too extravagant, especially in some countries, where the majority of people would be hungry and earning much less than a pension. Everyone should work hard, and we do need people providing essential goods and services. If things were fair and there was no corruption, there would be plenty of money to go around. The problem is that almost everyone is trying to do something to make money, in a corrupt environment where there is not enough money to go around. It could be satisfactory for everyone to try to make money if the system was fairer and the hardest working and most honest Christian people were succeeding financially. But often they lose more money then they make. Christians financially fortunate enough to be in professions earning in excess of a pension could retain them if it is an essential or beneficial service in God’s sight and if they use all their excess for God’s will. We do need people to provide money for God’s purposes. However, it is so difficult to earn in excess of a pension. Almost no one is doing what the Bible commands, which is putting either all their time, or all money that they earn in excess of an approximate pension into informing people of the truth or helping people. Therefore people who don’t earn more than a pension may be best not seeking to earn more than a pension. Instead they may be better off doing volunteer ministry or helping others. Many Christians try to get into a career or business hoping to earn more money than a pension so they can give the excess to missions. You would think in this case God would allow them. But often they fail to earn more money than a pension so their endeavor to do Gods will did not eventuate and their time is wasted. (a) Why is this so? They would have been better off doing volunteer work for God's ministry. Something must therefore be wrong. It appears as if they were deceived into trying to earn more money than a pension. Deceit is not from God. They are still seeking to earn excess money in an over competitive and corrupt environment where many others are trying to do the same thing and fail. The disciples did not seek to earn excess money at all even for a good purpose. Instead they mostly gave their professions away. Luke 16:13-14 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. And the Pharoses also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. It is highly esteemed among men to earn more money than a pension. The present situation is of high unemployment and business failure rates, where too many people are trying to make money that is not available under the present corrupt system. If one succeeds in a career or enterprise to make money, they are therefore preventing someone else succeeding under such a competitive environment of limited opportunities. This is causing the unfortunate people years of unsuccessful hard work looking for and trying opportunities that they hope to make an income from. But often they lose more money than they make. The bible commands us to give everything and show love with deeds. At http://www.mt.net/~watcher/bluey.html someone who was involved in the occult quoted "Satan's entire kingdom runs on the principle of competition; just the opposite of God's kingdom where everyone serves each other." Trying to earn money involves competition. The disappointment and low self esteem incurred by people being prevented from earning more than a pension is causing suicides, drugs, family breakdown, crime, injuries, anger with God and people not being thankful to God. Under this corrupt system a profession to earn more money than a pension is often full time and very demanding. Therefore it can take over peoples lives, not giving them enough time for God. The pressure some jobs and study cause, can also lead to the above problems. To have any chance to gain a career under the corrupt system people are forced to study unnecessary information for years. It is a system of unnecessary high pressure and competition, which stops people focusing on the important things. Also the education system and many places in the workforce are infiltrated with evil philosophies and evil organisations which subtlety deceive once Godly people. Organisations including the Trade Unions teach people to be greedy and proud and not care about their country's economy or other people. Others deceptions convince people the worlds philosophies and entertainments are ok. This is because the education system and workforce teach them. What almost everyone thinks is good in the education system and workforce, can hence be dangerous. They often involve becoming part of and submitting yourself to the control of a Satanic system. The bible verses indicate not to do this. The deceptions convince almost all people including a persons best friends. Bad company lure people into evil activities. If people take part in the world system it generally corrupts and destroys them. People who succeed in earning more money than a pension are often proud that they are among the minority to achieve this. They often look down upon those who earn no more than a pension, even though many who are poor are the hardest working people. Few people are likely to use what they earn in excess of a pension for God's will. Instead they normally use it for their own benefit, and once they are fortunate enough to get some money they often are greedy for more. If people try to earn an income greater than a pension, they require more goods and services than someone who is satisfied with enough income to survive. These goods and services include energy, fuel, water, rent, interest rates, registrations, licenses and essential products. The problem is that these goods and services are mostly purchased from those with wealth and power. If people try to earn more money than a pension, it transfers wealth and power to those who are evil planning a one world dictatorship. At the same time it is causing honest hard working people to go broke, when they lose more money than they make. Therefore banks and multinationals can take their properties and gain more power. Trying to earn more money than a pension is therefore destroying good and helping evil prosper. It would be good to help people not to commit suicide, but how would you do it if they think the below? Suicidal people are warned it may be best not to read this paragraph. Under the current system in countries of high standards of living approximately 95% of businesses are making a loss, real unemployment is approximately 20% and poverty has risen to approximately 30%. The figures are much worse in poor countries. Qualified people who did well at university battle hard for years to find work. They lose time and money due to the effort they put in and unfortunate circumstances. Small businessmen work hard ( often 100 hrs a week) and innovatively for years only to lose money. For many hard working honest people, the harder they work trying to make money, the more money they lose, the more trouble they get into and the more trouble they cause others. This is because they would need help from their friends while trying to make money. If they borrowed from friends or needed other assistance they probably promised to repay them or return them a favor when they started making money, but to their horror either bankruptcy, unemployment and no time prevented them from doing so. All their time was taken up trying to get out of their problems which were caused by trying to make money so that they could use it for God’s will. Even if they are converted and only seek to do volunteer work in future, their problems still often linger on to haunt them for years. They are trapped. These problems prevent them from doing God’s will and helping others like they had planned. Some people are a burden to others and cannot help people due to health reasons. They feel they would help others if they committed suicide. They also see that if most people or everyone committed suicide than it would prevent more people being born to suffer in the world and than going to Hell. Also it would reduce the population pressure and hence poverty. They also see that there is no point going on, when they see almost everyone including themselves getting nowhere and being denied an opportunity to do God's will, despite suffering and trying hard. (b) How can we encourage people to go on, not commit suicide, and have Children given these risks? In many situations positive thinking is good. In fact, often it is wrong not to think positive in many cases. On other occasions you have to believe a lie to think or speak positive things. For example many people think that most people succeed and are well off and that they will probably also succeed and be well off. Some things like believing in miracles causes discouragement and anger with God when they don't work yet God says we shoud believe in these things. (c) What specific things should we think positive about and when is it of the devil? Under the current system trying to earn more money than a pension is like gambling in a casino. If you are fortunate you earn more money than a pension, otherwise you are worse off. Gambling is considered evil. Most Christians??? would say no to these questions but you must remember that most people at the end of a civilization are wrong. Lot and his family were the only one saved from his civilization and Noah and his family were the only ones saved at the end of his civilization. Math 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Math 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Mostly people who succeed financially are corrupt as they have to be part of and on the same wavelength as a corrupt world which will lead them to sins such as pride and greed. Most people who succeed financially are either ripping people off or dealing with corrupt popular products such as drugs, fashions and ungodly entertainment which probably are abominations in God's site. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. People who desire to get excess money or receive excessive money fall into many pitfalls. As most people in the world earn below the equivalent of a pension and one third of the world are hungry (not due to their own fault), people who earn more than a pension may be considered rich in God's sight as they would be in about the top 5% of income earners in the world. They would also be in the highest few percent regarding standards of living. 1 Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. (d) For people earning no more than a pension, could seeking a career or business to earn money in excess of a pension in our situation, where most are missing out, be wrong or of the devil, even if it is planned for God's will? (e) Under this corrupt system should Christians give their paid jobs away to do volunteer work, if they are in a corrupted workplace or forced to work long hours. (f) Is it true that the more someone earns or profits, the higher the chance that they are of the devil or the greater the chance that they will fall into sin or be lead away from God? (g) Could God be punishing people for trying to earn money even if they intend to do God's will with it?

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